148: Does Chaos Bring Innovation and Order Bring Productivity?
Raw Transcript – Chaos and Order
Good morning. My name is Chris Kalaboukis and welcome to the podcast topic of today’s episode is chaos and order or chaos versus order I guess you could say. Been reading a lot lately about the effectiveness of teams and the way teams can be put together and depending on the outcomes that they’re looking for. Whether or not they will be matched or mismatched the outcomes that they’re looking for. So basically what I’m talking about is. If you look at I think you have to look at. The outcomes that you’re looking for out of a team or out of a project. Before you decide the composition of the team who’s going to be on the team. The actual environment that the team is going to work in. And the way in which the team is going to work. Because I think what’s happening is that. This is from reading all sorts of things would brain science in the human condition and how humans operate and emotions and intelligence and everything about the meatspace of humanity. I’m like robots. We are emotional creatures we are social creatures we are egotistical creatures we have all sorts of interesting. Positives and negatives. But I’ve been realizing as I’ve been reading and as I’ve been seeing things occur that. One of the things that’s interesting about humans is that we’re asked to be so flexible we expect to be so flexible. We are expected to be able to shut out all external suits stimuli when we’re trying to focus and be productive on something we’re expected to in the next moment. Be creative in coming up with something. It’s almost as a bit about what’s happening with work because with work. People used to be able to sort of collapse into view and work on the exact thing that they were doing in the specific way that they were doing it. They were compartmentalized in such a way that they would be they optimized themselves to be able to compose form this particular role. As effectively and as efficiently as possible. So if I’m a graphic designer I design things graphically I’m all about being creative and I live in the creative space. Because work is morphing to the point where everyone needs to do everything and I’ve talked about this before. At length on my blog and on my podcast that people are expected now to be more flexible. Right. So one moment you can be something doing something creative another moment you should be sent be doing something productive another moment you should be doing something innovative and the moment you should be doing something boring. It’s weird. Now being asked to be all these things. And I think one of the problems with being all these things is that we don’t realize how much of that has to do with the things around us not just the things inside us. Because I think we’re being asked and pulled in a hundred different directions. We’re saying OK you have to be creative. You have to be productive. You have to be this you have to be this you have to be this and there are all different things. And it causes of. Cognitive dissonance I mean it causes of causes cognitive dissidence to walk from one room to another. Can you imagine how much cognitive dissonance we’re actually getting in our brains when Eros one second to be super productive and focused in the next second to be innovative. So I think we’re underestimating how much our external Wyvis affect our internal behavior. So what I’m trying to say is that if you are looking for a specific outcome then not only do you have to sort of think about that outcome. Maybe you should also modify your environment and your team in order to move to that specific outcome so what am I talking about. So if you want. So I’m waiting. What I’m arguing for is a chaotic space and team. And an orderly space and team. You have a. Space. Which is chaotic in order to develop innovation and creativity and new ways of thinking. And then when you want to stop doing that and be productive you move into a completely different space which is orderly and neat which is completely different from the kind of offices we have today because of think about the work spaces of today they’re either all we’re a startup we’re a creative we’re crazy we’re were everything is all over the map. There’s is a mess everywhere we’re creative but when you want to be productive. It’s difficult for humans to be productive in that space and I’m saying that. Not everyone can do it but I’m saying that a lot of people feel that. All they need to do is switch their mind and say OK now I’m going to protect it. I’m going to focus and be productive but the clamor of the space. Still causes them to be derailed. They don’t have the isolation and the in the car and the cleanliness of the space the clean space. The open space the empty space will help them to be productive. So chaos does not help them to be productive. So what I’m arguing for is that in your work spaces that you have a neat space for people to go to be productive and you have a chaotic space where people can go to be creative and innovative and then by the same token. The teams should be in the same way I mean studies have shown that when you have more diverse teams you have much more creativity. But by the same token on the flip side when you have less diverse teams you have more product to Vittie because they can work together better. So you should also shuffle your teams based on the task at hand. So if you want to do innovative work and you pull together a dive. Diverse team. And you throw them in a chaotic space and you get the most innovative creative solutions but if you want a productive team. You take a non diverse team or a uniform a homogeneous team and you put them in a productive space or a clean space. An orderly space and they will produce like crazy. Which is. Some people might say but wait a minute. Isn’t that what you’re doing you have like an engineering department and you have a design graphic design department they can be chaotic and they can be orderly. No I’m not saying that what I’m saying is that every human has the capacity to do one and the other and every human can contribute. To one or the other so their engineers could contribute innovative solutions. In that graphic designers can be productive. So all humans can do all these things but what I’m trying to say is that your external environment and the team that you’re working in really affects how productive and or creative innovative you can be. When you’re trying to get to that outcome so this might be looking to virtual But basically what I’m saying is have the two completely separate disparate spaces and have the completely separate different teams assembled based on the outcome that you’re looking for. So don’t look for that single space and don’t look for that single team that will do both the creativity. And the productivity at the same time. As far as I’m concerned you can get true innovation creativity. If you’re trying to be productive and vice versa. There are mutually exclusive and humans work best when not only do their. Is their mind space in that environment their external space in that environment and the people they work with. Are also in that environment so all of these things are aligned you have your creative people in your creative space being creative. Not just your creative people but all of your people in your creative space being creative and others. You have your home with genius people in your product in your productivity space and your orderly space being productive. So I’m going to argue that we need to have those two different kind of spaces those two different kind of teams based on the outcomes that you’re creating So don’t expect your team in a chaotic space to be productive don’t expect your diverse team in a crowded space to be reactive and don’t expect your productive team to predictive homogeneous team. To be creative. They can be somewhat creative but they can’t really break through on. You can’t create breakthrough innovation. Unless you have that chaotic. Space to ever scale experience and team. Anyways. This is just a culmination of the stuff I’ve read over the last little while I think it’s fairly valid because I think as I mentioned we are probably underestimating the external influences. Around us. And how much they affect the way that we think. We think we can just switch from one thing to another and our brains are nimble enough to do that but you’d be surprised at how much more effective. And how much more productive you are in a clean space and how much more creative you are in a chaotic space. It’s just just one interesting I’m thinking that you know when it comes to office design when it comes to workspace design when it comes to team design when it comes to. How do you want to be them. If you really want to be productive if you really want to be creative. You really need to look at the external environments of the individuals and apply those pieces in and make that happen as well. That’s it for me for today scenics time until then don’t forget to think future.